flamingnerd (flamingnerd) wrote in poly_atheism,
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Religious people have morals?

So I recently was wasting time answering OK Cupid questions and came across a particularly offensive one:

Do you think it is possible for someone to be an Atheist and still have a solid moral framework by which to live?

yes
no


Hopefully I don't have to explain why that question is leading and offensive. Because really, we all know the REAL question is:

Do you think it is possible for someone to be religious and still have a solid moral framework by which to live?

yes
no


So of course I submitted the question saying (note Question ID: 47764 which is the same except it uses "an Atheist" instead of religious.)

and it was rejected.

the feedback:

Uninteresting or too obscure for most people
Uninteresting

Too similar to other questions

Too similar to other questions

Offensive / worthless

Offensive / worthless

Offensive / worthless

Too similar to other questions

Question or answers ambiguous
wouldn't this question serve better to say "and still not have"


*sigh*
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Maybe a bunch of other people should submit the same question.
oooh! I *like* that idea :D

please feel free to do so!
I expect a differently phrased question would have more luck...

'How do you feel about religious people?'
a) Positive
b) Neutral
c) Negative

That would probably be accepted.

'Do you feel that religion has had a positive or negative impact on the world'
a) positive
b) negative
c) neither.

'Do you feel that Christianity has had a positive or negative impact on the world' (or a question very like it) is already in the question database.
If you aren't familiar with http://jesusandmo.net,
The premise is that Jesus and Mohammed are flatmates....

These are two strips on this particular subject:
http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/08/10/sense/
http://www.jesusandmo.net/2007/08/14/fine/

archives by subject:
http://jesusandmo.net/narchives.php
I'd like to add another option to this question:
Do you feel that religion has had a positive or negative impact on the world?
d) Both.

Although I personally dislike religion, and know about many damages caused by religious motives (Holocaust, Inquisition, Crusades, etc...), I also see that many people have committed truly humanitarian acts because of their religious beliefs. Mohandas Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr. serve as excellent examples of how religion can inspire people to commit great selfless acts.
That is so wrong!! I'm going to run off and bitch to OKC about it...
Is it more wrong than...

'Is homosexuality a sin?'

If you don't agree with the statement you say you don't, and then say you require other people to agree.

"Do you think it is possible for someone to be an Atheist and still have a solid moral framework by which to live?" seems like a fairly appropriate question for me, it identifies an issue that could cause romantic incompatibility...

I'm sorry, I wasn't clear. My problem isn't with the first question, but with the rejection of the reversed question.

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I usually tell people who think atheists can't have morals that they scare me.

I always worry about how they would start behaving if they lost their faith, if they can't imagine any other reason for morals besides faith. They make it sound like the only reason they aren't out killing people is because they believe they're going to be punished if they do.

I don't really think they would start behaving monstrously, but to me that is what they are implying.
Agreed! A good thing that such people do have religion. I'd hate to see what they'd do if nothing held them back from acting on their impulses.
you have the best username I've ever seen.
Agreed.

People who act moral because of fear of punishment or for desire for a reward are really only acting moral out of self-interest.

They lack real moral values.

Ironically, even by the Christian faith they won't be getting to heaven that way.
I'm not convinced that it's such a bad question.

There is quite a bit of doubt amongst certain people that atheists can be moral. There are lots of people out there who believe that atheists cannot be moral.

I quite like having a question out there that identifies these people so I can tell okcupid that I'm not interested in such people :o)

Ironic really, I was thinking about posting something about atheist morality today :oP
my problem is not with the previous question, it's that I can't have my question used too. Personally, I'd RATHER date people who are seriously concerned that the religious lack morality.

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stubbornly biased toward the mainstream

So true. They rejected one of my questions once saying "99% of people will answer X" and I'm like "yeah, but I'm looking for that other 1%! How do I find them if you won't give me this question to filter by?" (nevermind that I DON'T believe 99% would answer that - maybe 90%, and the other 9% would give the other two answers that would make me not interested)
Once you've completed all the questions (or skipped them) then you can vote on new questions. I've done it myself and I can see why okcupid do it. A lot of the questions are repeats, bizarre, or disgusting.

I don't think the okcupid team need to be bothered with 'Would you eat a superhero's excrement if it meant gaining thier powers?'

:o/

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I've pretty much given up on OKC as useless. They reject all my questions, and half the questions in their database are stuff I couldn't care less about, they delete pictures of parts of your body other than your face (hello - the kind if person I want to be involved with WANTS to see my tattoo, assholes!). It rates me as having high compatibility with pretty much all of my friends, most of whom I have no interest in ever dating. Enh. Stupid site.
I skipped more than half the questions on okcupid. Some are okay, but a lot are inanely pointless... Makes me wonder how they got through really... :o/

You could always put a link in your profile to a photo gallery somewhere if you wanted to post pictures that okcupid have not been allowing you to :o)
Heh! they tend to rate me very highly on friends that I'd like to date, but who have no interest in dating me.
That question pissed me the hell off too. Why not just ask the obvious one, the one whomever wrote the question is clearly getting at: assuming you try to be a decent human being, are you motivated solely by a desire to rack up gold stars in the afterlife??

a)Exclusively.
b)Mostly.
c)Of course.
d)Satan commandeth me to skip church and eat babies.

Heh.
I'm still a bit surprised by the reaction.

It wouldn't have surprised me if an atheist had written the question to me.

As an atheist I'd have happily submitted it...
but it's a leading question implying that somehow being an atheist makes more likely to be less moral. I'm just as offended at the "is being gay a sin" type questions. But you're right, these questions are functional.

I definitely want to screen out people who think that atheism and morality are somehow incompatible, but I'm also not up for dating apologists. Ideally? give me an atheist who is just as concerned as me that religious people use delusion to override moral behaviour. But try as I might, I can't get questions through to ask that. --and I've never seen one. But I have seen "would you date an open-minded [sic] atheist?"

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i loooove you.
Right back at ya. ;)


(May I see your OkC profile or is that too weird? :D We can exchange via email if you're so inclined.)

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